joining me now, new york city schoolteacher brian jones, co-producer of "the inconvenient truth" behind "waiting for superman." and james merriman. whenever you get charter school stuff, the hardest thing is to look into the faces after those kids like they were at the rally in the ad and be like, sorry, kids, we're giving you the ax. >> look into the face of the kids at ps-30, and ps-149 who have had to share space with eva moskowitz's empire. look at the music space that lost its program, the theater program, the physical therapy program that lost its space. >> you're saying there are losers we aren't seeing from the existing set of arrangements. >> absolutely. absolutely. i don't want to begrudge any student or family success. we're getting into a dangerous territory here. >> okay. here's the thing i want to know.