conservative right, that is trying to do everything that they can in their power not to comply with laws that are moving forward around the country that are equalizing access to the same benefits that everybody else enjoys for lbgt people. and they say as much. they say, we're actually creating these things, because we're trying not to comply with laws that we know are coming down the pike. and that is the problem here. this isn't about -- this all just really -- this freedom thing, is really about people saying, i don't want to comply with the law. >> ida, do you feel that there is a problem here, that religion people aren't being respected enough, or some of their values and faith is being driven out of public life? >> well, i think there's a broader culture war, that is targeted at religion and religious people in some ways. you see it in the ten commandments being taken out of courthouses, and you see it in this effort to depict these long-standing beliefs of major religions, for thousands of years, as all of a sudden