but the thing we also have to remember about what joe biden is doing here, if you're a vice president in a second term and you're not talking about possibly running for president, then you're basically irrelevant. so there's some strategy here to keep him in the spotlight. >> he has been especially effective, has he not, jeremy, working with congress? >> well, he's certainly been barack obama's dealmaker on capitol hill. not this year. >> not that there are any -- >> yeah. [ laughter ] >> -- and the last big won he attempted to negotiate over gun control, of course, fell apart. but certainly he has played that role in the past. and has been pretty effective. >> he's been the guy that's actually gone there, let's put it that way. >> the main player for the administration in ukraine, talked to yanukovych nine times in three months. >> good point. maybe he can find him now. >> or get congress to disappear. >> that would be better. >> all right. well, we've definitely squeezed that one for what it's worth. i'll tell you, i think that he's