want it. >> anyone seeing what i do, julie? >> sure. the thing we have too remember about what joe biden is doing here, if you're a vice president in a second term and you're not possibly talking about running for president, then you're basically irrelevant. there's some strategy to keep him in the spotlight. >> he has been effective, hasn't he been, working with congress in. >> he's certainly been the president's deal maker. >> and the last big one that he attempted to negotiate over gun control, of course, fell apart. but certainly he has played that role in the past and has been pretty effective. >> he's been the guy that's actually gone there, let's put it that way. >> he's man the main player on ukraine, talked to yanukovych nine times.