and that's why -- i mean, this is his backyard. this is his sphere of influence. he sees things and the russians tend to see this so much as a zero sum game. the americans are ahead and they're behind. and so what chris was saying, i thought, was really interesting. this is so familiar. ten years ago, we saw this almost the same scenario, not quite coming to too close to civil war, but saw the same thing in the ukraine with the presidential elections where russia tried to influence, it turned off the gas pass and that's when we saw yanukovych beaten, but he ended up back in power. and you're seeing the same thing over and over again, and we need to remember just how important this is to russia. at the end of the day, it's not the number one priority for the united states. >> and, in effect, what happened ten years ago laid the seeds for what happened today because there was the orange revolution, and yet, the victors fought among themselves. it was a messy outcome. yanukovych took over. the corruption has become rampant. you're now looking at a country