thing about the democratic leadership council and the third way style of politics. i think in the '80s and '90s they brought an approach to the democratic party that said look, you guys, you have to be about growth. you have to be about economic growth. you can't only be about distribution, only about raising tax. i think that was positive. >> okay. >> but that was then and this is now. we really do need a new -- our future looking people are going to be people who are dealing with income inequality. and are wondering whether our tax code is really -- can really do the things we need to it do when we need things like universal pre-k. that's what the future is about. >> everybody is for universal pre-k. how do you pay for it is the issue. >> well, yeah. >> here is my question. do you think elizabeth warren could be elected president of the united states? joan? let's talk politics for a second here. do you think howard dean could? do you think de blasio could be running statewide new york? do you think de blasio could win statewide new york? >> i don't know. it's too early. >> how come you don't know? what doe you mean you don't know?