that makes my head explode is senator cruz. what he did to mitch mcconnell and john cornyn was r reprehensib reprehensible. but your other guest was right. you do have some default deniers and some folks who think it wouldn't be so bad, you know. let's pay a few bills and so forth and so on. but if we default, it's not just a -- it's not a big deal. you know, thank goodness for mitch mcconnell and john boehner who don't take that view in the face of some pretty stiff chrissism. >> steve -- >> you know, my -- >> go ahead. >> my newspaper, "the courier journal" as a jr. liberal editorial page, but his vote on the debt ceiling elicited a very, very kind editorial in his favor. >> yeah. >> well, let's go back to what ted cruz said. we just heard him say this. the single thing that republican politicians hate and fear the most, that is when they're forced to tell the truth.