they have been killed. then we end up with a veterans administration that can't handle all of this. on top of that, as he's launching these two wars, iraq and afghanistan, he's administering a huge tax cut at a time when the spending is about to go up, he gives a tax cut to the upper income, to corporations, and then all of this comes home to roost in our economy. we get a big deficit. our country is now still struggling from all of that. so my belief is that regardless of any category you might consider, i think the judges have to give the oscar for worst president to george w. bush. >> yeah, i mean, you make a very strong case. i think one of the things that's key to point out about w., unlike lyndon johnson, a divided split record in terms of what he did interfacially, the vietnam war, what he did domestically which is push through and sign some of the most significant landmark legislation in american history, george w. bush's nonwar record, i mean medicare part "d" which sort of works and is extremely expensive.