councils. this is a different model. it's something that the uaw has had to learn about, get comfortable with, and i have to say what's happening here in tennessee is a big kind of shift for the uaw. they are accepting a different model, a model that would put unionized workers and nonunionized workers at the table helping to manage the plant. if that works, and if that makes southern folks who have sometimes been resistant to unions more comfortable, that's the big deal here because then -- >> that's good for america. >> the other plants get to -- >> that's good for management. it seems to me one concern, if you have any problem with the unions or even if you're very pro union, work rules can drive you crazy. people say i'm not going to do that, it's not my job when in fact it makes no sense to say it's not your job. some case maybe yoiru're exploited. pay is something people really want and benefits as you said, john. you think the mechanic who works