tho using those funds were illegal? >> i haven't heard anybody say it was a crime, but what is concerning to watchdogs is that this is not the way this money is supposed to be used. it's supposed to be used for the region. and that there's a concern that this agency became very politicized to benefit chris christie and new jersey in a way that it hadn't been prior to this. and that's -- we're talking billions of dollars. we're not just talking about little pots of money here and there being sfrinkled among friends. we're talking $2 billion going to a roadway. and that is what is of great concern. and that's why the committee is looking into this, because of that concern. >> and that concern about issues like this tunnel and all these other related issues is how they got subpoena authority in the first place, which is how we got the time for some traffic problems in ft. lee e-mail, which is how we got the bridge scandal, which is how we ended