there's family and the inability of parents to spend time raising their children, because they need two incomes and maybe three or four incomes at the current wage levels we have. so there are all these structural things that keep people at the bottom. and that's got to be central to the debate. that what we have in america is a system of upward redistribution. you heard me say this before, it's not trickle down, it's amazon up. >> yes, and i also want to focus on this idea that -- in the first club when he talked about opportunity, to me, this word opportunity is like the waste band in an old pair of sweat pants it's getting stretched so much that it basically means nothing. it's a deficit, a word you use to signify whatever policy you want beforehand. when people start talking about opportunity they are officially talking nonsense, the word has no meaning, right? it's not like our country has any policies that actually are committed to something that looks like equality. if we took that idea seriously,