safe, we shouldn't be making them. that's about as simple as i can make it. you have to be tough here, but you don't listen, you have to do it. we want everybody's input, but that plant needs to be torn down. it should never be there. it's an 80-year-old plan. it should be gone. the governor said they're going to tear it down. i'm proud of that. get it out of there. make sure we inventory everything we have on the waterways and not just in west virginia, alex. every state, this should be a wake-up call for. >> i hope it is indeed. joe manchin, thanks for your efforts on this. thanks for your time today. >> thanks, alex. >> after the break, can you really say you're committed to fighting poverty when you are still stuck on trickle-down economics? we'll discuss with former labor secretary robert reich. the end.