jan. and i have to say, i would have enjoyed a behind-the-scenes look at the two of these folks getting this breakfast organized this morning. but there does seem to be that sibling thing a little bit, louis. they love each other, but they've got to go at each other a little bit. i, by the way, have always found louis to be unbelievably gracious every time i've seen him. now, i don't watch tv -- [ laughter ] -- i've got to admit. but he is a good man and a great storyteller, and jan was just reminding me the first time we saw each other was at one of my first events when i first ran for office. and it's wonderful to see all of the dignitaries and friends who