that's the guy he was. and you can be made by the machine and unmade by the machine if it flips on you. in other words, the central control that you have that makes you effective is what also raises questions about what the attorney calls the enterprise of the government of new jersey. that is what we are sitting around here trying to figure out. yes, people have taken the fifth. the legislative committeys that think they are getting public hearings are not. those people want to cut deals. we are not going to know what the facts are until he finds the facts. >> there is nothing worse, by the way, for somebody in the middle of a crisis like this to have a u.s. attorney who is known to be a political and professional which this guy fishman is. he is not a grand stander or