friends with bill baroni, another figure in this case. i want to start with my friend john who covers politics. it seems to me that this governor is not telling what's he knows. i only say that because when someone brings up something, makes an assertion, he then makes himself available and basically admits to what the guy is saying. he did know more about this. and then afterwards he knew more around the time. apparently things had just happened or were happening still. it's still a bit foggy. but that line of defense of his, which seems like the maginot line has been moved a few feet back, quote, to the period before this. this is rolling disclosure. this is what politicians do. they're glad to tell you what they know if you already know it. >> yes. that is certainly true, chris. i still think that he still is sort of -- it's a very -- the thing he said yesterday on the radio about this period of time