recently by sherman himself. >> just because you hear it, compton, you hear watts, you just think thug, he's a gangster, he's this, that, and the other, and then you hear stanford, and oh, man, that doesn't make sense, it's an oxymoron, and you fight it for so long, and to have it come back up, and people start to use it again, it's really frustrating. >> back with me is laura flanders, host and founder of grit tv, and jonathan, msnbc contributor and opinion writer for the "washington post," and joining is jalani of the university of connecticut and john mcwarter, columnist for the new republic and "time" magazine. all right. less about whether or not we want to defend a seattle seahawk who beat the new orleans saints twice. because who wants to do that. and more about whether or not in this moment, we learn something about the continuing realities of race in america. >> well, we absolutely did.