other than what the governor gives had her and in this case he did have her responsible, if you will, for economic development. she would go around and try to promote economic development, tax packages, tax breaks, that type of thing. so it is very likely she would be talking about both of these things. i wasn't there so i don't know whether she linked them or not. to be honest, i don't know why dawn zimmer would lie. she has no incentive to lie. she is basically putting her whole career on the line here. so, you know, it's a very serious charge that she made. i was here on your show when she actually made them and i thought she was very credible in the way she had her diary and had talked to other councilmen about it at the time. i would not dismiss this. this is a very serious charge. >> and, andrea, i heard the argument put to me by a number of people that there may be -- we say the thing is in black and white and there may be some gray here, that dawn zimmer thought she was hearing and saying one