fire a couple shots. looked like he had a shotgun, shooting over the railing. and i'm going to have to cut this short because the s.w.a.t. team is here and they have their guns and say i have to leave right now. >> randy, i completely understand. thank you very much for speaking with us. and we're going to reiterate what you have just shared with us from eye-witnesses there. randy brooks, get outside safely, thank you very much. all of you may have heard what randy said, that he had a customer run by the store and then come inside, saying that he had seen the shooter, someone with a shotgun on an upper level, randomly shooting down into what he described as the cafeteria area. so that certainly strikes terror. jim cavanaugh, interpret that for me. when he says a shotgun, you know, that's something that one would think would be easily detectible if someone is bringing a shotgun inside of a mall like that. >> right. well, it could be hidden under a coat, certainly, with all of the cold weather, a gun could be hidden under a coat. a long top coat, depending on the size and length of the