the republicans are not going to go down this road again. do you think that's overly optimist sncc. >> look, i don't think there's a lot of insensitives from the republicans to go down that road again. right? the last time they did it, they shut down the government, it cost them dearly. and not only that but it strengthened speaker boehner's hand against the extremist and his caucus. so they come to this with a slightly different political calculus. you heard the speaker's representative michael steele today say the speaker doesn't think we should breach the debt ceiling or even come close to it. i think he actually means that. the question is he has to get something for the caucus because they won't take nothing, as congressman ryan said. and the white house has said it won't negotiate. so how far are they willing to go? in the legislation that reopened the government back in october there was a kind of symbolic tweak to health care, basically affirmed something that was already in the law in order to say to the republican caucus, hey, we've got something. and i think it's not unlikely