governor of connecticut, semi-similar situation, he ended up, greenwich had tough ethics laws, but virginia, no state laws that he violated, correct? >> well, that's right. these are all federal charges. >> all federal charges. johnny williams, why hasn't he indi indicted? >> he has immunity. >> he's giving them the paper trail. >> he's clearly important, not the only one, but clearly an important witness for the prosecution. so he's not been indicted and he has immunity from prosecution. but what the mcdonnells' lawyer say is, if you take the government's theory in this case to its extreme, then when president obama went to dreamworks and said, nice things about dreamworks and jeffrey katzenberg and the other people, he was lending the prestige of the presidency to a big campaign donor. they say, look at people who get ambassadorships after giving lots of campaign contributions. >> what is worse, though,