senate's rule-making power. could they pass a rule that requires 99 votes to pass legislation? what about 67? now we're at 60 votes. it used to be the filibuster was the exception to the rule. it's now become the rule itself. it's been used to lead to this cynicism about government. notice it's used most by the party that most wants government frankly not to work. >> and that goes to the points that you guys are making in court. i'm going to use a television term, which is we're going to go to cloture and cut off debate for this segment. a filibuster joke, steven. >> i got you. >> you got it? just something we could do together. steven from common cause, thank you so much for joining us today. up next, an issue that even grover norquist and toure could agree on. i'm serious. stay tuned. [ male announcer ] they say he was born to help people clean.