victory, chairman rogers? >> i thought the most important victory was the president standing up and saying the program did not have abuse. this wasn't sinister. it was legal and proper. some of the suggestions how to move forward i have some concerns with, but i thought it was an important -- really an important role for the president to play. i wish he would have played it seven months ago but i was glad to hear it yesterday. >> so edward snowden whatever you think of him leaks these documents, the information about these programs. and senator feinstein, there's a big hue and cry, but basically the president says these programs are here to stay. and critics of the speech as i've been reading them seem to say very little will change. barton gellman says, "obama placed restrictions on access to domestic can phone records collected by the national security agency, but the changes he announced will allow it to continue or expand the collection of personal data from billions of people around the world, americans and foreign citizens alike." that doesn't seem like a lot of privacy protection. >> well, i would disagree with mr. gellman.