let these people test you out. their credibility is on the line as well and that takes the risk out of the equation for them. they can try you and it gets you entrenched. once you use the networking to get in the door, you have to remember you can't give free forever. you are just using it for a limited portion of time. >> okay, moving on to the next question. this is from albion. our clients are primarily charities and local businesses. how do he we take the next step and procure large corporations as clients? once again someone who wants to get into something new, get some new clients. >> i say look for an intermediary. sometimes getting into the corporations and the clients directly is really, really difficult. so is there somebody in an interim step that you can contact? for example, if you have -- this is, i believe, a t-shirt company. if it's a t-shirt company, go ahead and maybe talk to a planner at a hotel that does events that might procure t-shirts for events and say we're going to give you something for free, try it out,