loyalty to the governor if they really weren't that close. >> that's my point. when i listen to and i read that story about bridget kelly and how much loyalty she still now a week later feels, and i watch the comments from david wildstein's lawyer and i just know my own experience with david wildstein, it wasn't that he had an adversarial with chris christie, but he certainly, you know, was not going out of his way in my view, we've got to enhance, we've got to protect chris christie. you know, i think, quite the opposite. so i just look at it as david wildstein is in a tough situation here, potentially has a lot of valuable information. when you look at the e-mails and the texts that were released through these suches, he left a lot of tantalizing hints in there hey, was there a meeting between chris christie and david samson, the chairman of the port authority a week before the "time for some traffic in ft. lee" e-mail came out from bridget kelly. he seems to suggest he has some knowledge of that. >> and this came from wildstein's document. >> right. >> which is suggestive of more