too early to talk about how this story, about the george washington bridge. >> remember when bill clinton started to run for president? >> that is pure ignorance. >> october 3rd, 1992. no, '91. >> no, i think it was 1962. but the '92 campaign, when did he start worrying about it? when he went on johnny carson and worried how the convention speech was playing. the point is you do start working. it is a four -- frankly, it is truly a four to eight-year process. >> jon meacham and i, we have been talking about this an awful lot and you're teaching a course on the republican party. while i was putting my book together we were talking about the history of the republican party. richard nixon started running for president in 1958 when he was going around campaigning. >> that is the good old days. >> that is the good old days.