what i think is interesting that i find new about a scandal like this is i never knew before of a scandal where an administration, maybe it wasn't christie himself, but the administration actually purposely inflicted pain on its own citizens to make a point to other politicians. i mean nixon had an enemies list, but he carried out his vengeance directly against the people who were his enemies. he didn't, you know, use the people of america as hostage shields. >> yeah, i remember hitchhiking as a kid and this couple, kind of a rough couple, because that's who you hitchhiked with. one was torturing the kid, punishing him, slapping him, to get even with the other spouse. it was horrible to sit in the back seat, but it's like this. why would you go and go punish somebody to sort of send a weird kind of message to your other guy? first of all, what was the purpose of doing it? he wasn't going to like you afterwards. what would be the message, don't