said is true and he is somehow separated from this, whether he knew or didn't know, he will survive it if he speaks for himself. >> rudy giuliani was a hands-on mayor and on top of everything so for him to explain -- >> it looked like a lie. it smelled bad. >> it's hard to go at him. >> i think he was actually making up facts to call it a prank and to blow it off, that was using his name. >> what bothered me about all of this, frankly, they all keeping turning this around saying christie went out there and did this long press conference and why didn't obama do that? he had a huge press conference right before christmas. the idea that obama has not stood up in front of the press to answer questions is ludicrous. >> with ail due respect to joe who is not here today, i think that is a terrible parallel.