know that she's changed my mind politically. >> but it certainly made you more understanding of other people that share her views. i remember willie geist saying he was raised in new york, he went down to vanderbilt and suddenly all of his friends that he played basketball with and loved were all george bush fans. and it took him a few days maybe he's not evil, maybe we just think differently. he said that was really important for him. >> we went through a long period as you do in any relationship why do you think the way you think? i understand he's a liberal. i understand the kind of liberal he is and it's the kind of liberal i admire. he's a civil rights liberal of the 60s from the south. that is a good motivation. and on the activist government and all this stuff, i can't hear you, i'm not listening --