cnn, the high rate of drug use among welfare recipients. >> studies show people on welfare are using drugs much higher than the population. >> yeah, right. we invited the governor, who's promising to appeal the judge's decision, to join us today and he sent the following statement that says in part, "we should have a zero-tolerance policy for illegal drug use in families, especially those families who struggle to make ends meet and need welfare assistance to provide for their children." we also asked his office for those studies because when you actually look at the numbers in florida, 2.6% of those tested while the law was in effect failed. usually it was for marijuana. that is much lower than the national average. so joining me now to discuss, daryl hahn from florida and maria cairo, associate director for the afl-cio of florida representing the plaintiff in this case. thanks to you both. >> thank you, karen. >> i want to start with you,