you could argue that a labor economist coming in when we have to figure out how to unwind the most unconventional monetary policy in history without damaging a fragile recovery she has her hands full. >> any branding expert probably would never ever, steve rattner, predicted that your brand would be charts and it would sell but it does. everyone talks to me about your charts. >> i think some might have predicted it might have been my -- i'm not a late night comedian so that leaves me with charts. but the fact that they would sell is a different matter. >> it's amazing. you also take a look at afghanistan. is the end in sight? is the answer no because it's always no. >> depends on what you mean by the end. end of our involvement as we bring troops home by the end of this year yes. but how many troops remain and their volley an open question. we've seen what has happened before when you have a major shift in afghanistan and disaster follows so i think