>> since we're indulging in instances, i want to look at just where the long-term unemployed are. i think it also has to do with -- it's not happening in my backyard. the highest number of unemployed are in new jersey. the northeast blue urban states nevada. it really if you look at that map it's concentrated in urban -- which is logical. more people are there. since this is by and large a blue states problems could republicans make the calculation, in rural poverty may be high but long-term unemployment 98 not be my problem. >> it also coincides with business interest. business doesn't want people to have unemployment insurance because if you have unemployment you're getting $200 a week or so, it's easier to say i don't want that $9 an hour job. i want the $50,000 a year job i was making in 2008 and that i'm qualified for and have the education for. but if you don't have any income