that show and continuing unemployment that tapped into people's savings. that prevents them from purchase and invest in the future. this is not a stimulus program. >> giving incentives shouldn't be about pushing them into poverty. that's not an incentive. what we need to do is think about what's happening around the country and i think the confluence of events and the fact that there a lot of americans that have been kicked out of food stamps. again, we are talking about unemployment and states that are struggling just to get the minimum wage up a dollar or two. if you look at the events at the same time, this does nothing for the economy. >> fascinating debate. some people say how long can you call the economy a problem when we are growing at 4%? other people say we have structural issues where we may not have good jobs again. i want to bring in john har