nsa has now decided they need to go on a pr offensive, because they recognize that they are, that things are -- change is coming, right? do you feel that on capitol hill, that we're turning a corner where there's going to be -- there's got to be some legislative response to this. >> there will be legislative response. whether it's going to be meaningful is hard to say. you've got to get it through committee, and speaker boehner did a big turn-around in getting a budget bill passed and telling some of the crazy right-wingers, back off, i'm the speaker but that doesn't mean he's going to necessarily stand up on nsa issues, where most of the people that are concerned are more liberal. and i think, you know, i like mike rogers a lot and i like -- >> they're people on the intelligence committee. >> ranking member and the chairman. i don't think they or boehner will allow a vote to come up in the house. the conyers bill got a lot of votes, but i think they made sure it couldn't pass, and the senate never touched it.