they're wide-eyed, wild-eyed secessionists who want to break up the country into more than 50 states so they can get gun freedom that they've been demanding all this time and who are telling local sheriffs that laws don't apply to them. the supreme court is meaningless. you just make it up at the county level. that's the gun rights side right now, right? two sides of this argument are really, really mismatched and out of balance, but it is the super unbalanced side that now, at least for now seems to be winning. it's amazing. joining us now is rhonda field, colorado state representative, representing parts of aurora, where, of course, 12 people were killed in a movie theater last year. her son was gunned down in june 2005 before he was set to testify as a key witness in the murder trial of his best friend. representative field sponsored three gun reform bills that passed the colorado legislature this year. representative fields, thank you very much for being with us tonight. i really appreciate your time. >> thank you, rachel, for having me. it's an honor. >> i'm trying to sort of take the temperature of this debate as a country in terms of