>> so fascinating. >> wonderful american -- >> instead they chose someone maybe with a slightly larger audience size selecting pope francis who had a pretty big year too. it contains an e-mail interview with edward snowden and named him the dark prophet. joining us now to talk about their decision and the process is deputy managing editor of "time." thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> the choice of pope francis, do you think is says more about who he is and what his message is and the approach he has brought or to the time that we're living in where people are so deeply concerned about poverty and income inequality? >> i think it's both. person of the year has a lot to do with the individual and his or her accomplishments but also has to do with the great themes and stories of the year and of our time. certainly the topic that's pope francis already raised in his