so i think that's going to be a huge problem. if republicans continue to focus on the website, they're missing the bigger issue of coverage itself, which i think is much more difficult to handle than the website itself. >> but don't you worry about red state republicans like those in kentucky where the site is flourishing and those guys have been nothing but obstacles in trying to make an exchange, like kentucky's connect work and it's working. and tens of thousands of people out of 640,000 uninsured in kentucky, they're getting covered now. >> sure. look, i think a lot of people will show some success stories and the president sure is going to do that. he's probably going to start with the chris matthews interview coming up, but there are millions more who don't share that same sent meant and have experienced something different with that website. those are the ones that are going to be the most helpful in election because the anger movement and the discontentment with how this thing is going is really what gets people protesting and gets people out to the polls an gets people