pushing the voter suppression law that we're seeing now that's the worst in the country in north carolina, all of that, you see the money imprint and the handprint imprint and the philosophical imprint of either art pope or groups he has backed in such a wrongful way. and that's why we're fighting. >> do you think that people in north carolina broadly understand the connection between that agenda that you just described and the network of discount stores that have made the pope family so wealthy over all these years? do people already know the connection between those policies -- >> no. >> -- and those stores? they don't. >> no. that's why we're doing these informational pickets. now, we hope in this season of christmas and hanukkah, his own conscience -- we've actually asked to meet with him -- that he would change. we have to believe in the possibility of redemption. we've shared with him that it's against our greatest moral values, we've talked about scripture of woe to those who use their wealth and political power to influence the systems of government in ways adverse to