played with patty murray and paul ryan, they basically said those are off the table. the best you're going to do is a small deal and it's not even clear to me that's something they want to. don't forget, the default is spending cuts with the sequester. >> no incentive for republicans to deal. >> not really. everybody tells me they want to stop the defense cuts. i believe that. >> some, not all. >> the problem with the sequester is it was supposed to be the worst possible alternative. it is except compared to everything else. that is compared to tax increases where medicare and social security changes -- you know, tights best possible alternative. >> i can tell you that the white house in hindsight now thinks -- they admit they miscalculated what they say is the rand paul laying of the republican party, which doesn't value the defense department in the same way the reagan republicans of the '80s did. >> it was an understandable mistake give than we had 20, 30, 40, 50 years of republicans defending defense spending.