somebody needs do a whole case study. we need a pentagon paper. >> we were talking about this on set in real-time in 2009, talking about tripling the number of troops. we couldn't find anybody on set that thought it was a good idea. richard holbrooke came and pretended to think it was a good idea. and other administration officials pretended to think it was a good idea. everybody knew it was a stupid thing to do. john u-said when this tops becoming an anti-terror campaign which bush did and started to become an anti-insurgency campaign, all was lost in afghanistan. and we're just spinning our wheels. >> listen, at least we're getting out now but at the same time we're leaving behind that's going to regress very fast and the taliban are on the rampage right now, murdering people. there was a poignant piece in the "time" magazine of those refugees trying to get to christmas island. they are dying in these boats