running the state department may constitute executive experience of a high order. more than say being governor of new jersey or being an optometrist. >> i'd love to talk politics here. don't get into policy here. is there anybody beside christie that could knock hillary off? >> i don't think anybody associated with congress can. i do think jeb bush if he decides to run could mount a good campaign. i think another governor like john kasich who has that blue collar sensibility. nobody attached to washington can beat hillary, although that's going to be hillary's biggest challenge is disassociating herself from the obama administration. >> hillary clinton won't run.