about 3 million plus into the cuccinelli race. but it's what we're saying and how it's been received by voters that matters most. we're still failing on that point. there's more bottom to hit there before we begin to figure out what the tone and message is. maybe chris christie is a model for that. other governors around the country, republican governors can be good models, scott walker, kasich in ohio will present a good model as well. the examples are there. whether the party gets behind that and puts it out front, remains to be seen. >> quickly, is ideology trumping these practical political fix snz. >> i don't think there's any question about it, particularly when you have a convention state, ideology trumps any strategy on this. most voters are left out. narrow band of voters deciding the nominees and that makes for in this case a ticket that's going to be having a difficult time tonight, i'm afraid. >> thanks to both of you.