>> conservatives dominated on >> yeah. >> sit right there and i'll get hardcover books and talk radio. down here with you. what are you most afraid of now? >> going back to a place or a there are liberal successes but for whatever reasons time in my life where i didn't have all the tools to be strong. conservatives have done a lot better in those areas. it's hard to do political books >> a good interview and one i'm that are neutral and objective and do well. going to get a good piece of >> you guys have done it before, done it again. content, there's a moment where it's exciting. the framework of being in an interview kind of falls away and suddenly you're just really interested in what that person >> got a love letter to "double is saying. down" from a difficult book you're not thinking about getting quotes or anything. critic. playing the game with an insider you're focused on their story. look t at the players. and as another human, just being the art section of the new york interested in that person's times. >> really? story. and that's kind of being in the she's tough. >> wow, guys. moment, where you forget about the process and you're just kind why do you look so grumpy. of absorbed in the conversation. >> just gratified. >> how much of a role does your >> we have a lot to get to. >> with head shots. father's displeasure have in your life? >> that's exciting. >> i think negative inspiration >> look at this. is a big thing. when they review my books it's >> what has been the most difficult, to be honest? so ugly they not only insult me, >> when you're being confronted with negative things. they insult everybody within a square mile of me. >> the art is in creating this >> look how tough. >> i know. >> we have news to get to, joe. space where you can forget about the process and just be two people present in the moment.