billion. seems the republicans have moved the goalpost. are you confident you can go to conference and come out with something reasonable in terms of cuts to s.n.a.p.? >> we're going to have to come up with something reasonable in standard & poor's or we're not going to have a farm bill. some of these same house members who have supported enormous subsidies for well heeled agri businesses, those that paid for well-heeled lobbyists, they are not going to get things they think they cut out the most defenseless people in america. it's not going to pass. i would suggest they look at what happened in the senate. we brought republicans and democrats together. most of us on the senate agriculture committee have been there a long time. many of us in both parties served as chair of that committee. we knew how to do it right. we pass it the old-fashioned way, actually bring up amendments, up or down and passing a bill. we saved billions of dollars.