them. that we wouldn't have been talking about, you know, obama care so long or something like that. from their perspective that's what he was highlighting. you talked about the plays that they are making in terms of different portions of fighting over the same kind of red meat base. i think they're very distinct. i actually think there's a lot of differences in terms of the populations they work for. and paul in particular is someone who has a unique following that is somewhat separate and distinct. >> how so? >> well, with rubio you see the great hope of the establishment. people talk about him as jed rubio. i think with paul you see a