that's why they end up being a little more forgetful because they can be forgetful because your parents are following them every step of the way. the second child comes around and they have to fend for themselves and figure it out on their own. i ran away from home a number of times -- >> because you were so happy in your home? >> because i wanted to get attention. i was a curious person. the better question is, who is better to handle real world situations -- >> when you're in utah, where do you run? >> when you ran away from home, did the secret service bring you back? >> i was much older then, but that's a better question. who is better capable of handling real world life situations? the smarter one or one who had to figure it out, all of those years not being babied and pamper pampered? >> that was your laugh, not mine. >> ari? >> where do you run in utah? >> i run -- >> to a farm. >> run in the mountains,