>> ryan, what does that mean for this conference going forward? >> well, the question is whether or not this counts as that demonstration. you know, they say, you know, if you show a gun in act one, you know, you have to use it in act two. so hopefully for the country, this counts as them using -- using their gun. you know, they shut the government down. you know, hopefully that doesn't mean they have to go into default. which -- which they'll be much less likely to do next time because critical filing deadlines for primaries will have passed by the next time we get to the debt ceiling. i think you'll find people much less interested in demagoguing the debt ceiling when they're cruising to re-election. >> i think the checkoff quote is if you show a gun in act one, you have to shoot a park ranger in the foot by the end of the play. and what about the benghazi cover-up? thank you. joy will stay with us. coming up, the government shutdown and near debt ceiling disaster in retrospect. watch and feel good reflecting on how republicans lost in the end. stay with us.