congressman, good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> the approval of congress, i don't know if you heard it, 5%. military families are going on local tv. they aren't getting death benefits because of this shutdown. john mccain says we ought to be ashamed. is he right? >> well, he is correct because i think the government needs to function. and right now it's not. you've got this tea party group that really doesn't believe in government and doesn't believe in folks working together to get compromise. i think if you read paul krugman, which i do, you've got to have a middle class. the economy improving gets us out of our debt problem. and our debt ratio to gdp is not that great compared to other times. and they're hurting the economy, which is hurting the deficit, which is hurting the middle class and that's just wrong. >> i think both sides agree that this is probably not great for the economy, so the question is how do you get there? republicans are now saying very publicly in op-ed, on the floor of the house and senate they want to sit down, talk, negotiate. and if i can, let me play for