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kinds of bills including this. and frankly, i think it's disgraceful that they're withholding these benefits. >> now, the pentagon says they don't have the legal authority to pay these benefits during the shutdown. so wasn't it disgraceful, i mean really disgraceful for republicans to shut down the government in the first place given these implications? >> absolutely, reverend. absolutely. but you got to understand, goldie and i were one of those select few that served in the military. it's about 1% of america that serves and goes overseas. john boehner's not part of that. he doesn't understand these five families that lost their loved ones this weekend in afghanistan don't have the death benefits. he doesn't understand that the va just closed down 56 centers, educational centers. he doesn't understand they shut down regional centers in the va.

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