about the budget than he was talking about obama care and you do see a movement among republicans to ease off the all-out assault on obama care and they've come on that obama care be completely defunded and you're trying to find something else and fiscally related. >> so this fig leaf is something that can be offered and they can say we didn't just fold. the one thing john boehner can't do is have the impression particularly among conservatives that can cost you the speakership. >> that's exactly right. >> we are in a sort of purgatory right now. the one thing that will force it to an end is the debt ceiling. >> and that will absolutely force it to an end. >> it may not. there is no precedent to defaulting. we've come close. it cost us $19 billion over nine years, and we're just in the beginning of that.