million people per year visit those every year. those are people who are filling hotels in the great smokey mountains national parks and hiring mountain guides in grand teton and guides in rainier, back in the grand canyon, some of the rafting outfitters that are you know, potentially having trips shut down will lose several hundred thousand dollars on each trip that's canceled. i spoke to one outfitter who had people who flew from new zealand holed up in flag staff waiting for their trip to launch and may be -- they may essentially be out the airfare and vacation time. >> so real and sad. thank you so much for joining us, grayson. >> from national parks to furloughs to closures, we want to know, has the shutdown made you any less helpful about the